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M. Eichenlaub said in July 24th, 2009 at 12:00 am (mark@regimeofterror.com)

As the manager of http://www.regimeofterror.com I come across a lot of folks who were hands on on this topic and hear some stunning things that never make the media accounts.

Thanks for posting this.

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tagajawa said in July 24th, 2009 at 11:57 am (tagajawa@bigfoot.com)

iraq like all other countries, the united states included are all guilty of the above. i.e. they all manufacture these weapons in defiance of UN conventions.

UAVs, missile propellants, blister agents, etc., are produced elsewhere. nothing makes iraq unique in the trade, they were just simply caught and nipped in the bud, unlike those countries allied with the world powers.

NOKOR is producing missiles and we do no know what warheads they can load!

the UN for now, is basically controlled by the US and NATO. someday, China will become the power and for all we know, US or other countries in europe will be declared producers of WMD and should be attacked with china leading.

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Mahal said in July 24th, 2009 at 12:12 pm (jima.dizon@bakerhughes.com)

Soranjian [soranjian@aol.com]

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Mahal said in July 24th, 2009 at 12:26 pm (jima.dizon@bakerhughes.com)

Kojak — if you want to hear or know more on the reality of his issue i can refer you a colleague of mine for almost 6 years no other than the nephew of the President of Iraq, i have posted above his email add… He is Dr. Soran Talabani., the killings in Iraq everyday is unbearable, BUSH is a bull shit for iraqi’s and he proved NOTHING.

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Kojak said in July 25th, 2009 at 12:33 pm (kojak3238@yahoo.com)

Mr Eichenlaub…. Thank you for yet another source of information….My basic point is that the media alone is not a good source on which to based opinion, votes, policy and laws. We need to all do the reseach especially when it involves human lives.

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Kojak said in July 25th, 2009 at 12:38 pm (kojak3238@yahoo.com)

TAGAJAWA…. My point was not to justify the war….. although for many additional reasons I think the war was justified…..in fact the first justified war America has fought in 60 years.
That is a seperate issue
My point is the media is failing us and as a consequence we are at risk of making poor decisions
WMDs were a very small issue and not the principle reason for the war

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40 ID said in July 25th, 2009 at 12:38 pm (8888_40@sbcglobal.net)

“mahal”_ if you’re calling Pres. Bush a bull shit how will you considered yourself? atleast Bush have had done something in the states… eh ikaw what did you do ha???????
perdition.

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Kojak said in July 25th, 2009 at 12:45 pm (kojak3238@yahoo.com)

TAGAJAWA….Minor point…..The UN and NATO are not under the control of the United states…. First the UN votes against our position a vast majority of the time…..and even NATO refused to support us with regard to Georgia…. We not only do not control them…..we have not paid our UN dues
The concept of a world body ruling the world is an impossible concept…..they once nominated Saddam Hussein (Iraq )as head of the Security Counsel….???

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Kojak said in July 25th, 2009 at 12:55 pm (kojak3238@yahoo.com)

MAHAL….Thank you for the source…. President Bush was not my favorite President…..There were many things he did and failed to do that I disagree with strongly…..but the one area we do agree is the Iraq War…..No one likes war….especially those of us who must fight them
I was in TWO useless wars…. at least this one was justified and kept America safe for 7 years

It is not Iraq that we are fighting…. it is terrorism…. the Iraqi people and the Iranian people are good people…..they have been and hopefully one day will be again America’s friend

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BAboy said in July 25th, 2009 at 2:50 pm (febru95@yahoo.co.uk)

long live your conviction sir kojak and the cause of american war of aggression especially george w bush.by the way,is a war of aggression ever justified?at least america taught the iraqis a lesson.how about teaching kim jong il a lesson?like what happened to saddam.maldito ni si korean president.murag nanghagit gyud ni sa mga amerkano.gatuyo ra jud ning pikota ni.long live amerika.

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edtabor said in July 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm (edtabor@yahoo.com)

For years the US and England have had dreams of controlling the world A new world order they call it. WE are the ones who give these weapons to Iraq when they had the war with Iran at that time we considered Iraq the lesser of the too, and Donald Henry Rumsfeld Himself was the one who went there and gave it to them. Then when the us no longer has a use for them they turn on everyone. You are right Saddam did try to assassinate George senior and that is the reason for us to go there instead of taking care of business in Afganastan. We should never have started this war it turned out just like Vietnam 1000s of people dead and nothing will change. I love my country and I’m glad i was born there, but so are every people from any country they all love where they are from. But i know that out way of doing things is not what all the rest of the world wants. And the US should learn to let the people of their own country make the change when they decide its right. We have not gained one thing buy invading Iraq but getting 1000s Killed and many more injured and crippled for life. And as soon as we pull out it will be what the people there decide they want it to be which will not be much different that when Saddam was in charge. Just different powers behind the scene.

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BAboy said in July 27th, 2009 at 2:40 am (febru95@yahoo.co.uk)

always wage war until we exist no more.we are guilty of greed and arrogance.america or iraqis alike.wage another war to n.korea after the US troops are pulled out of iraq.america tigum sa kusog.long live america.

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Kojak said in July 28th, 2009 at 9:16 am (kojak3238@yahoo.com)

Baboy…. Opinions are like “noses”…..everyone should have at least one.
America had no justification for going into Korea…..or Vietnam……or Grenada…..or Somalia……or Bosnia…..etc…. none of those nations were a threat to America…..America should NEVER interfer in the domestic problems of other nations….. we can give unfettered humanitarian aid but meddling in the affairs of other nations is not where our resources should be spent…… The only time when our military should place young American’s in harms way it when there is a direct threat to America…. that is why the Iraq war was justified…..FIRST Iraq declared war on America….Iraq paid terrorists $25,000 to kill Americans and her allies…..Iraq tried to assassinate our President…..Iraq tried three times to destroy American aircraft….. Iraq send funds to Al Quida….. Iraq trained Al Quida terrorists …… Iraq failed to abide by the terms of the Desert Storm Peace Accords (violation of which gave America legal justification to continue the war)……etc
From the beginning the Iraq War was NEVER ABOUT….oil….WMDs…..revenge…..Imperialism…. or any of the other liberal buzz words…..As the president said repeatedly before the invasion…..this is a war on “Global Terrorism and the NATIONS THAT SUPPORT TERRORISM”….Iraq was the pre-eminent nation when it came to supporting world terrorism…..and because President Bush attacked them….ALL terrorist attacks against American targets ceased for 7 years…..(NOTE: Terrorist attacks have resumed under Obama….two Al Quida attacks in less than six months….HMMMMMM)
It was not a “war of aggression” but retaliation

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Kojak said in July 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am (kojak3238@yahoo.com)

Baboy…..North Korea is not a real threat….. The North Koreans can not feed their own people….hundreds starve every winter…. the only reason North Korea exists is China…..and China does NOT want to have it’s puppet attack it’s biggest customer…..North Korea is all bark but no bite….. the worst thing they can do is sell weapons to our enemies…..Even battle hardened South Korea could kick North Koreas butt

Notice North Korean now…..as winter looms….are willing to talk about nuclear weapons with America…. big surprise

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Kojak said in July 28th, 2009 at 9:35 am (kojak3238@yahoo.com)

Ed Tabor…..You base your assumption that America wants to control the world on what evidence? We at one time or another have controlled big parts of the world and everytime given it back to the locals…..while it is true America meddles in the affairs of other nations …..tries to “police” or be big brother to half the world……I see no evidence of an imperialistic adgenda
Iraq did not turn out like Vietnam….. because we did not fight it like Vietnam…..We won this war…..all of our troops are now in protected base camps….the Iraqis are securing their own streets and countryside…..we only provide support on request…..
We finally agree on something….America should mind it’s own business ….. and within ?? ten years there probably will be a new despot in control…..but that is the Iraqi peoples problem not ours….. the American goal was never to establish a real “democracy”….but to establish a pro-west government that would keep Iran off of Israels doorstep….. which may or may not happen
….time will tell…..we did our job; it is time for the Iraqi people to do theirs

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edtabor said in July 30th, 2009 at 11:16 pm (edtabor@yahoo.com)

It’s Ok Kojack after reading your storie about your mistake. I now know your problems are much deeper than i realized maybe to much agent orange. So it is just not right for me to keep picking on you most of the guys have said. So in the future i will just over look what you write or say i know you can’t help it now.

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Soran said in October 13th, 2009 at 3:44 pm (soranjian@aol.com)

As my name came into your conversation, I would like to make few comments:
History will tell on whether the US and other west states in Iraq was right or not. We still see the media is divided as some supports while other opposis.
IRAQ was a state of fear until 2003, no doubt about this. Iraq had weapon of mass distruction and even used it against its own people, Iraq in fact did plan for building the infrastructure for atomic bomb, above that it hid most of the biological and chemical weapon facilities for years after the 1st Gulf War. Iran is currently working in the same direction and following the same path Saddam has taken !
My comments after the 2003 invasion is:
I do believe that 94% of the Iraqi people supported the invasion as they had no other choice other than waiting for someone from “HELL OR HEAVEN” to take Saddam off power ! The 6% of his suppoters was clean in the last Iraq election who have benifited from his power live rich and protect his regime.
US administration has done some serious mistakes since day 1 after the invasion: allowing the looting of the government offices, facilities, houses, has put the whole nation in a chias and euphoria. A nation with no rules and regulations to control will soon turn against you as they will get used to it. US could have done much better and set Iraq as an example for the better ME states.
In my opinion there is no hope in one Iraq as the secterian and ethnic conflict do exist and is awaiting any ignition to start a lengthy dirty war between all perties, the country should split into 3 states under a kind of a loose confideration. Otherwise, if Iraq burns into a war, it will take with it Syria, Turkey, Iraq and few other state into the same hell.

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Kojak said in October 14th, 2009 at 9:22 am (kojak3238@yahoo.com)

I agree with much of what you have said…. America made many mistakes in how the war was conducted…. but “hindsight” is always 20X20…..

I also agree it is highly unlikely that “democracy” will work in Iraq….. I do not think the American government actually thinks it will either…..I think the goal was to establish a pro-west government regardless of what form it will finally take……my guess is there will be another despot in charge within five years of our departure……as to the factional fighting….. possible but I hope you are wrong…..
Our history for having a “good” result from meddling in the affairs of other countries is not good…. most often it blowsback into our face…..
Once we removed Saddam we had little choice but to try and make things come out to our benefit….. create regional stability and protect Israel….
Afghanistan is a whole different situation….. in my professional opinion it is a no win situation…. a quagmire worse than Vietnam….

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